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The public material for diving with Apple Watch Series 2 is a bit contradictory. All the data that I can find claims that it is resistant to 50m, but that you should not use it for scuba diving.

 

Foot note 1 from https://www.apple.com/apple-watch-series-2/ (for future reference; copied 2016-09-23):

  1. Apple Watch Series 2 has a water resistance rating of 50 meters under ISO standard 22810:2010. This means that it may be used for shallow-water activities like swimming in a pool or ocean. However, Apple Watch Series 2 should not be used for scuba diving, waterskiing, or other activities involving high-velocity water or submersion below shallow depth.

 

My confusion arises because according to https://scuba.about.com/od/scuba101/p/How-Deep-Can-You-Scuba-Dive.htm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_diving and my PADI deep diver manual, the max limit for recreational scuba diving is ~40m (the precise recommendations differs for different countries), and the PADI manual recommends never going deeper than 30m. Yet the current material says that scuba diving should be avoided.

 

Is that because Apple means scuba diving below 50m when they say "scuba diving"? Or should I avoid diving at all with the Watch? My current assumption is that the documentation is not as precise as it should be, but I would prefer not to jeopardise the warranty.

 

 

As a side note, it is extremely dangerous, if not outright suicidal, for a unassisted human to get to 50m. Even if you ignore all the other hazards of diving, air supply alone makes it nigh impossible. This means that any dive below 10m is only really practical for scuba divers (scuba is an abbreviation for Self-Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus). Which is another indication that the marketing material might be imprecise.

The Watch user guide says that the watch should only be used in shallow water. Wear it while snorkeling, but don't use it when scuba diving.

 

Water resistance 50m does not mean you can use the watch at that depth. The watch can cope with short splashes of water with that pressure, but you cannot operate it for a longer time at those depth.

I ruined another watch that was specified for 50m while scuba diving.

 

About Apple Watch water resistance - Apple Support

Hi

 

Apple Watch Series 2 should not be used for scuba diving, water skiing or any other activities that involve high velocity water or submersion below shallow depth:

 

About Apple Watch water resistance - Apple Support

It's marketing material, don't bet your life on it being accurate.

Warranty coverage depends on compliance with Apple's published guidelines, rather than on the technical definition of the water resistance rating.

 

More information:

 

Warranty coverage is not relevant if you are wearing the watch at 50 meters below the surface, staying alive is.

 

Apple does not triumph over real issues.

A: Quoting me the text that I myself quoted in the second paragraph is not really useful. I am fully aware of that text. I am confused because the text is self-contradictory.

B: Improving the text can ultimately only help Apple, because confused and ******-off customers (a likely outcome of the current wording) decreases customer sat. Improving the text makes everyone happier.

You can submit feedback to Apple here:

 

https://www.apple.com/feedback/watch.html

Thanks for the link . I looked for a more direct line of communication, but found only find phone numbers and this forum.

I hoped to clarify that Apple states clearly that the watch should not be worn for scuba diving (at all, regardless of depth) and also to help you access additional related resources.

 

ISO 22810 covers watches that are intended only for daily use and for swimming.

 

ISO 6425 covers watches that are intended for use while scuba diving.

It's not contradictory, it's entirely straight forward and tell you very clearly:

Apple Watch Series 2 should not be used for scuba diving...

...or other activities involving high-velocity water or submersion below shallow depth.

 

Contradictory would be

Apple Watch Series 2 should not be used for scuba diving...

..but it should be used for scuba diving!

But since the only way to get to 50m is by scuba diving, does that mean that resistance at 50m is a lie? Lying in marketing materials is illegal in the EU (https://ec.europa.eu/consumers/consumer_rights/unfair-trade/false-advertising/ind ex_en.htm).

 

If what they are trying to say is that the Watch is not a replacement for a diving computer, then fine, they should say so. It should be obvious to anyone certified for diving to 50m, but being explicit is always better than being implicit.

 

The last part is important, because "intended for use" depends on intention:

- If I intend to use the Watch for fitness tracking and secondary time tracking while diving, I probably fall within ISO 22810, even if I am wearing scuba gear (with a dedicated diving computer, of course).

- If I on the other hand expects to use it as a diving computer, it falls within ISO 6425.

 

The first use-case should be perfectly valid for what I can read, but their current documentation indicates that that case is actually invalid.

They also clearly state that it is water resistant to 50 meters

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and

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Which seems quite contradictory on the face of it (typo's notwithstanding)

@JimmyCMPIT

 

It is contradictory because the only way to get to 50m is by scuba diving. The two pieces of info is mutually exclusive. The contradiction does require a deeper knowledge of what scuba diving actually entails, which is what I expect to be the actual issue here.

 

Also, what does "shallow depth" mean? Since all basic scuba courses only certifies you to ~18m, I would assume that "shallow depth" in the context of scuba diving means significantly less than 50m.

The Watch user guide says that the watch should only be used in shallow water. Wear it while snorkeling, but don't use it when scuba diving.

 

Water resistance 50m does not mean you can use the watch at that depth. The watch can cope with short splashes of water with that pressure, but you cannot operate it for a longer time at those depth.

I ruined another watch that was specified for 50m while scuba diving.

 

About Apple Watch water resistance - Apple Support

As I understand your post, you are saying that extended usage at depths below shallow (whatever that means) is harmful to the watch. That sounds reasonable.

 

I just wish that this interpretation was more obvious, and that they actually defined what "shallow" means. For example their list of stuff that might decrease water resistance includes water-skiing, but not high pressure.

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