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Can I avoid application specific passwords on my Windows devices by turning off two factor authentication for Apple?  I have read everything I can find in Apple but there is not clear guidance on how to use application specific passwords.  I use iCloud on my Outlook 365 for calendar and contacts (using info entered on my Apple devices).

Two factor authentication is not connected to the application specific passwords. What two factor authentication does is send a message to a secondary device when you attempt to access certain Apple websites or purchase Apple products.

Yes. With two factor authentication turned off you need only provide your actual AppleID password to Windows apps.

Stuart423 wrote:

 

Two factor authentication is not connected to the application specific passwords. What two factor authentication does is send a message to a secondary device when you attempt to access certain Apple websites or purchase A

That is not correct. App-specific passwords are only used with Two-Step Verification or Two-Factor Authentication:

Using app-specific passwords - Apple Support

So, turning it off, would mean that app-specific passwords would not be needed.

Cheers,

GB

Ron1966 wrote:

 

Can I avoid application specific passwords on my Windows devices by turning off two factor authentication for Apple?  I have read everything I can find in Apple but there is not clear guidance on how to use application specific passwords.  I use iCloud on my Outlook 365 for calendar and contacts (using info entered on my Apple devices).

I'm a little confused about where you are thinking you would need to use app-specific passwords on a Windows device. App-specific passwords are used when you sign into a 3rd party app on an Apple device that will be using your iCloud data. They would not involve a Windows device or computer, and turning off Two-Factor Authentication makes your Apple and iCloud accounts less secure.

Cheers,

GB

App specific passwords must be provided to the Windows 10 Mail, Calendar and Contacts apps when synching with mail, calendar and contacts on a Mac or iPhone using an iCloud account.

What do you mean by a "Windows 10 Mail, Calendar, and Contacts app". Do you mean using the Outlook app as your mail app on a Mac or iPhone? Because, again, you wouldn't be signing into your Apple ID for Outlook Mail (for example), on a Windows machine. You would be signing into Outlook Mail on your Windows machine with your Outlook email address.

App-specific passwords are used for 3rd-party apps that you are signing into on an Apple device or computer when you have Two-Factor-Authentication or Two-Step-Security enabled and that 3rd party app is going to be using iCloud data.

Can you provide a specific example of where on a Windows machine (other than iCloud for Windows or iTunes), you would be signing into your Apple/iCloud ID?

Cheers,

GB

Thank you Gail, Bob and Stuart.  You can see why I am confused.  When the original email came telling me that "app-specific passwords will be required to access your iCloud data using third-party apps such as Microsoft Outlook..." I assumed they were talking about Outlook on a Windows computer, which I have.  On re-reading the email, it doesn't say whether it applies only to non-Apple apps running on Apple devices (of which I have none) or also to non-Apple apps running on Windows devices and using iCloud data (which I do for mail, calendar and contacts).

When I turned on two factor authentication a while back it required me to re-log onto iCloud two iPhone, an iPad, and four Windows 10 computers running Outlook linked to my iCloud account, using a six digit code that came on my iPhone.  But when I got the email and tried to figure out where an app-specific password would be entered on a Windows 10 computer, I got confused.

I followed the link at the top of this chain and got more confused. On Outlook 365 running on my four Windows 10 computers, I log onto iCloud for Windows seperately using my Apple Id. and Password, and then click a link to set up each machine up for Outlook. Nothing else is asked for.  There are Q&As in the link at the top of this chain which suggest that app-specific passwords are only required if two factor authentication is turned on, and others that like Stuart above suggested that the requirement for app-specific passwords is wholly seperate from two factor authentication.  This is the first time I have found Apple's support help confusing (unlike Microsoft, which is always confusing.

Maybe someone will come along who can definitively answer whether an app-specific password is requied for accessing iCloud data through Outlook running on a Windows 10 machine.  In the meantime, I turned off two factor authentication just to be safe as I will be travelling on June 15, the implementation date for app-specific passwords. FYI, turning off two factor authentication required me to log back into all three Apple devices and four Window computer iCloud installations.

So, if you are referring to the email you received from Apple regarding App-specific passwords, that was specifically about 3rd party apps on your Apple devices and computers that use your iCloud information. I would suggest that you might want to reconsider your decision about turning off Two-Factor Authentication, especially if you are traveling.

Generating App-specific passwords is easy to do, and signing in with them for those apps like Outlook in your Mail app on your iOS devices or Mac computers is also easy. Once you have generated the App-specific password (outlined in the link I provided above), you would simply sign back into the app, and instead of typing in your Apple ID password to sign in, you would type in the App-specific password (which I have found is quite easy to cut and paste from your Apple ID page when it is generated).

When you say you have Outlook on your Windows 10 computer, do you mean you are signing into Outlook via your iCloud for Windows control panel? I don't use iCloud on Windows, so not exactly familiar with the process you are describing.

However, the app-specific password is used only when you are signing into an app using your Apple/iCloud ID and Apple/iCloud ID password. In the cases where you need to use an App-specific password, you would simply substitute your regular Apple/iCloud ID password with the App-specific one.

Does that make it any clearer at all?

Cheers,

GB

Maybe someone will come along who can definitively answer whether an app-specific password is requied for accessing iCloud data through Outlook running on a Windows 10 machine.

Any 3rd party application that can't ask for and then process the 6 digit 2FA verification code will require an app specific password.

Think of an app specific password as a "re-useable" password+verification code, generated by Apple, that allows the 3rd party application to securely authenticate to Apple's servers.

The "host" operating system is moot. This is not a Windows thing.

So, an email application like Thunderbird, available for most every OS, will require the app specific password on macOS as well as Windows, Linux and so on. Thunderbird does not have the ability to make use of the 2FA "process".

This way, a single-entry app specific password entered in its settings functions like the two steps of Apple's 2FA.

To your first posted question... no. The June 15th change is Apple requiring an app specific password, which itself requires 2FA.

Apple will no longer allow 3rd party application access to iCloud/Apple data without 2FA, or its non-Apple-OS equivalent... an app specific password.

The email does not speak to operating system, only to 3rd party apps and does point out Outlook in particular.

Gail, I synchronize my calendars using my iCloud account on all my devices including a Mac, 2 iPhones, an iPad and three PCs running Windows 10. An app specific password is required by the Calendar app on the Windows PCs to allow access to the iCloud account. Third party apps accessing an iCloud account require an app specific password regardless of what OS they are running on. The password is entered in the normal way using settings on the Calendar app on the Windows PC.

As an aside, I have recently turned off 2FA because it just became unworkable with so many devices. I have not seen an email from Apple on this subject. Is Apple going to force the use of 2FA with 3rd party apps after June 15th? If so, that will be a problem for me as I have already tried it and couldn't get it working reliably with so many devices.

Bob Reynolds wrote:

 

Is Apple going to force the use of 2FA with 3rd party apps after June 15th? If so, that will be a problem for me as I have already tried it and couldn't get it working reliably with so many devices.

No, you are OK there. The email was sent to people using 2FA now only, and applies to them only. On June 15, people currently using 2FA will have any 3rd party app that is using iCloud data automatically signed out, and will require those apps to be signed back in again with a new App-specific password. Not sure why. But I use 2-Step Verification, and I have gotten no email.

So, as long as you are not currently using 2FA, you will not have to worry about the requirement.

So, just so I understand - when you are signing into your Calendar app, are you are signing in with your Apple ID? And you are signing in via the app, not via the iCloud for Windows control panel?

Thanks for the info

Cheers,

GB

Thanks for clarifying this, Gail. I had not heard about the app specific password requirement, and provided outdated information.

You are most welcome Stuart! It was just serendipity that I heard about the email, since I use Two-Step and not Two-Factor. Wish we had some sort of "info" page that would inform us all about these kinds of things!

Cheers,

GB

Gail, yes, I am signing in with my Apple ID directly into the Calendar App on my PC using my iCloud account for synching the calendars. Nothing to do with the iCloud for Windows control panel. An App specific password is required. If you provide your regular AppleID password it won't work and you will see a notification when you open the Calendar app telling you to fix your account settings. This is pretty confusing but it makes perfect sense as this is the only way for Apple to protect your account password when allowing access through 3rd party apps.

I went through this when initially setting up my calendars (and contacts) and finally figured it all out. Then iCloud had some sort of 2FA password meltdown that caused a storm of password prompts, 2FA codes prompts and forced password changes. Never seen anything like it. The only way I could fix it was to turn off 2FA. I'll try again in a while to see if it has settled down.

btw, how do you quote messages on this board when replying to them? I can't see how to do it.

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