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Logic Pro 8 and Mountain Lion

So I've upgraded to Mountain Lion and have run into a problem when running Logic Pro 8.

First off, I'm still using Logic Pro 8 because until now I've had no problems with it and have seen no reason to purchase version 9 (If it's not broke, don't fix it).

Well, since installing Mountain Lion, Logic crashes every time I try to do and (Option-Drag) Time stretch. Since this is a feature I use almost constantly this has become a HUGE problem!! I love Mountain Lion otherwise so don't particularly wan't to go back to Snow Leopard but it's looking like it could be the only way forward. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Does anyone know a way to get around it? I've seen a few suggestions to open Logic in 32 bit mode but can't figure out how to do it with Logic 8, all of the suggestion are for Logic 9 and dont have the same path. If anyone can help or has any suggesetion that would be much apprictiated!

Cheers

Logic 8 is a 32 bit application. Can machines running Mountain Lion boot in 32bit mode? I don't know but something at the back of my mind (maybe I read it somewhere) is saying that Mountain Lion will only boot in 64 bit mode, so you may be stuck there already.

One thing that baffles me ever so slightly is that you say 'if it's not broke, don't fix it', but you updated to a brand new OS anyway. Now maybe your machine isn't a dedicated music machine and that's the reason. I'm not making a judgement here at all. It's just I'm still on Logic 8 myself on an 8 core Mac Pro running 10.5.8. It's a dedicated music machine and it's still on 10.5.8 because it ain't broke and don't need fixing, not Logic or OS wise.

Hope the 64 bit thing helps you and if it turns out that Mountain Lion is 64bit only then you may need to use a backup of your whole system to get going again in Logic 8 or take the plunge to 9 depending on how badly you want to keep Mountain Lion.

Logic 8 is a 32 bit application. Can machines running Mountain Lion boot in 32bit mode? I don't know but something at the back of my mind (maybe I read it somewhere) is saying that Mountain Lion will only boot in 64 bit mode, so you may be stuck there already.

One thing that baffles me ever so slightly is that you say 'if it's not broke, don't fix it', but you updated to a brand new OS anyway. Now maybe your machine isn't a dedicated music machine and that's the reason. I'm not making a judgement here at all. It's just I'm still on Logic 8 myself on an 8 core Mac Pro running 10.5.8. It's a dedicated music machine and it's still on 10.5.8 because it ain't broke and don't need fixing, not Logic or OS wise.

Hope the 64 bit thing helps you and if it turns out that Mountain Lion is 64bit only then you may need to use a backup of your whole system to get going again in Logic 8 or take the plunge to 9 depending on how badly you want to keep Mountain Lion.

Hey octopi, thanks for your reply. Really made me understand the problem! It would seem I am a bit stuck then if ML doesn't run 32 bit applications :-s Looks like I'm gonna have to go back to Snow Leopard, not sure of how I'm gonna do this without totally wiping my system and starting again though!

In regards to "If it's not broke, dont fix it", I feel like I pretty much disregarded it and only just now through doing this actually learned its lesson! I guess it just didn't even register that it would be a problem running Logic 8 with new versions of OS as to me it feels like version 8 is still pretty new.

I'm gonna pop into the apple store today to see if they can advise anything, or even just to advise the best way to go back to Snow Leopard. Wish I hadn't done it now! Just got caught up in buzz of it all I guess.

Thanks for your answer anyway, it helped a lot!

Hi sijam,

It was just a guess really but I went away and read up on Mountain Lion and it is the first OS X kernel that will only boot in 64bit mode and I found these other pointers. Please bare in mind I haven't tested any of this though:

* Mountain Lion will run 32-bit applications.

*Mountain Lion will run 32-bit applications and programs; however, it will not have a 32-bit kernel, so if a specific software package requires this (mainly kernel extensions) then it will not run. Most should not require this, and should run just fine.

If you pop into the Apple Store maybe ask about that last point because if Logic requires 32-bit kernel extensions, it's not going to work. If you find out, please post your findings here as others may find it helpful.

Virtually everyone has done this at least once (not having a full backup) so don't be too harsh on yourself. In some ways it is the best way to learn the lesson! Apple OS these days CAN change significantly under the hood and affect any 'old' app. I use the term 'old' relatively as this can sometimes mean 6 weeks!!

Glad I could help.

Hey, well, after going to the apple store and being reffered to a logic specialist, apparently there is no way to run Logic 8 in Mountain Lion due to the difference of 32bit to 64bit, there not making a patch for it either :-s. The guy was pretty blunt on the phone to say there not going to bother fixing the problem as they havnt even run any tests with Logic 8 and Mountain Lion! Seems daft really as alot of the features do actually still work, its just things like time strechting that cause it to crash.

So its pretty much just a case of going back to Snow Leopard or upgrading to Logic 9, I think ill be going back to Snow Leopard as i know that system worked for me. Just a shame really that there not even going to bother with a patch :-s suppose thats not how companies make money though.

I've definitely learned my lesson here! haha, next time i'll think before i do any upgrading.

Thanks again for your help octopi

Hi,

you could try this trick, it works for me:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/103749164470499027198/posts/jngeSLD6awY

Hmm, slightly dubious about this :-s not sure I wanna chance it.

And just to clarify, its nothing to do with the differences of 32 and 64 bit, thats marketing BS designed to make it look like its not Apples fault, they are just trying to make you upgrade. Logic 8 is stable on ML as it has always been. OS X has always been able to simultaneously process 32bit and 64bit processes, don't let some badly informed sales rep tell you otherwise.

gen_, are you running Logic 8 on ML? Just wondering if you've tried the method AppleRyck mentioned above? I've tried a few things and spoke to someone at apple about the compatability of the 2 and he quite bluntly said it wouldnt work, not sure how badly informed a sales rep he is but he seemed to know more about it than me :-/

I am not, but if Logic 8 does not work it is not because of 32/64 bit limitations, as OS X could not haver made significant changes without also breaking Logic 9 nad a bunch of other 32bit Applications. 32bit Apps work fine in ML and always have, and 64bit bootloaders existed on nearly all Mac Pros and even the old Xserve and they ran Logic 8 fine. The restrictions are most likely in the .plist files inside the .app file, the same way they were when trying to run older versions of Java which were also 'incompatible' due to .plist only listing up to 10.7 being compatible (this was important wen testing and running old Java programs). I would tell you how to edit it so that Logic could Launch normally but I don't have a copy of Logic 8 anymore to grab the original and make edits.

As mentioned in the link you can run Logic 8 by doing the following:

1. launch Terminal

2. type (exactly, including quotes and ampersand)

If logic is not in Applications, substitute the formoer portion of the directory by dragging the Logic.app file into Terminal, then add /Contents/MacOS/Logic Pro" & to the end, make sure there a respeech marks at either end.

"/Applications/Logic Pro.app/Contents/MacOS/Logic Pro" &

3. press ENTER (and then minimize the Terminal window)

4. look (and hear) at Logic Pro Studio 8 roaring out at your favourite Lion

5. enjoy!

6. When you're finished recording/playing in Logic just quit it as usual (don't forget to save your job)

7. you can now quit Terminal too.

This will bypass the .plist files in the .app by running the binary directly

Hey,

I was reading through this because I have the same concern about running Logic Pro 8 if I upgrade to Mountain Lion (I do want to try the new OS, but it certainly isn't worth paying the huge price to upgrade to Logic 9). For what it's worth though, I have been running Logic 8 flawlessly with OSX Lion using the technique described by gen_. In fact, I just routed the command to launch from an icon on my desktop, and it has been no different than Snow Leopard. If you do end up trying this with Mountain Lion, please post about how it works out because this issue is the "make or break" for me as to whether or not to upgrade my OS..!

-KRF

I have also been running logic express 8 on LION.  Moved my data to a new macbook pro and am using logic express 8 starting up without having to use terminal.  I loads fine.  I'm wondering if anyone else is able to run logic 8 on Lion.  Would love to update to mountain lion but wonder if I will loose Logic Express 8.   I'm not a power user but like additional loops and instruments that Logic provides - esp not that I have downloaded Mainstage.

Anyone else tried loading LE8 on Mountain Lion or upgraded from Lion to ML with Logic Express 8.

Honestly not able to update the app and justify the cost for casual use.

b

Hello, gen_

Does this method also work for installing Logic 8? I tried by dragging the installation file to terminal and typing the rest, but nothing happened. If you have any hints on how to do a clean install (I don't have the program file, just the installation files) I', d be very grateful!

Thanks

khattemoat

I doubt it, it's not an application, its a package (or more likely a metapackage). You're best solution to installing it is using a program called Pacifist to unpack and 'install' the disks.

https://www.charlessoft.com/

Make sure you select all the weird sounding packages and install them individually first e.g ProApps, THEN install Logic, then the libraries.

Do that, then install the 8.02 combo update from Apple's website (not system update) THEN run Logic and activate. Should install fine.

You can then use the methods above to actually run L8.

THanks for your help thus far. I have followed your instructions and upon loading logic it quit unexpectantly:

Exception Type:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)

Exception Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x000000003c89145d

VM Regions Near 0x3c89145d:

    __OBJC                 0000000012111000-0000000012137000 [  152K] rw-/rwx SM=PRV  /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/ProKit.framework/Versions/A/ProKit

-->

    __TEXT                 000000008fed4000-000000008ff07000 [  204K] r-x/rwx SM=COW  /usr/lib/dyld

...

There is a lot more to the error report. Any ideas?

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